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	<description>Philip Hodgetts</description>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
		<link>http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2007/06/if-not-advertising-what/#comment-19024</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff,

Phase One is ready to launch in Mid december with a &quot;soft&quot; launch (to partners and those who&#039;ve expressed an interest at OpenTelevisionNetwork.com aka klickTab.com. Not a lot on the site at the moment but more coming mid month.

Philip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>Phase One is ready to launch in Mid december with a &#8220;soft&#8221; launch (to partners and those who&#8217;ve expressed an interest at OpenTelevisionNetwork.com aka klickTab.com. Not a lot on the site at the moment but more coming mid month.</p>
<p>Philip</p>
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		<title>By: JeffDM</title>
		<link>http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2007/06/if-not-advertising-what/#comment-19023</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize it&#039;s only been six months, but has there been any known progress on this front, or at least any new ideas on how to handle this issue?

It seems like a bleak future if the only hope a person has in making money on &quot;new media&quot; is to use it as a springboard to get a career in &quot;old media&quot;.  The Old media empires seem to be shrinking, so there&#039;s one incentive that&#039;s rapidly fading.  Except for short bursts, or for a few people that are extremely passionate about it, it&#039;s too much work, too expensive and too time consuming to justify as just a hobby for the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize it&#8217;s only been six months, but has there been any known progress on this front, or at least any new ideas on how to handle this issue?</p>
<p>It seems like a bleak future if the only hope a person has in making money on &#8220;new media&#8221; is to use it as a springboard to get a career in &#8220;old media&#8221;.  The Old media empires seem to be shrinking, so there&#8217;s one incentive that&#8217;s rapidly fading.  Except for short bursts, or for a few people that are extremely passionate about it, it&#8217;s too much work, too expensive and too time consuming to justify as just a hobby for the long term.</p>
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		<title>By: James Gardiner</title>
		<link>http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2007/06/if-not-advertising-what/#comment-14006</link>
		<dc:creator>James Gardiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the figures on DPB Phil,
All I can say is that I am now considering advertising with you.
It appears VERY cost effective and one of the best focused demographics available.


Thanks,
James

(P.S. get back to me with the cost of a spot please.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the figures on DPB Phil,<br />
All I can say is that I am now considering advertising with you.<br />
It appears VERY cost effective and one of the best focused demographics available.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
James</p>
<p>(P.S. get back to me with the cost of a spot please.)</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
		<link>http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2007/06/if-not-advertising-what/#comment-14005</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very hard to isolate figures just for the Digital Production BuZZ podcast, because our advertising revenue also comes from the weekly email blast NewBay sends out and the twice-a-month Tips and Tricks newsletters. Plus it also comes in part from the referrals through the syndicated news feed.

Collectively they take about 20 hours a week, average, and after paying sales commissions last year (the bulk of the revenue goes in sales commission) we brought in a reasonable lower-middle class income for one person from the show, a net of about $50K.  The show alone never bought in more than $2K a month.  

Cost out the 20 hours a week however you like, but at opportunity cost (not doing consulting for someone else) it&#039;s not great money.

Philip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very hard to isolate figures just for the Digital Production BuZZ podcast, because our advertising revenue also comes from the weekly email blast NewBay sends out and the twice-a-month Tips and Tricks newsletters. Plus it also comes in part from the referrals through the syndicated news feed.</p>
<p>Collectively they take about 20 hours a week, average, and after paying sales commissions last year (the bulk of the revenue goes in sales commission) we brought in a reasonable lower-middle class income for one person from the show, a net of about $50K.  The show alone never bought in more than $2K a month.  </p>
<p>Cost out the 20 hours a week however you like, but at opportunity cost (not doing consulting for someone else) it&#8217;s not great money.</p>
<p>Philip</p>
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		<title>By: James Gardiner</title>
		<link>http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2007/06/if-not-advertising-what/#comment-13947</link>
		<dc:creator>James Gardiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Philip,
Very interesting post.
I am amazed that podcasters are still so on the back foot. Especially with such trackable statistics in the number of views.

One Podcast you appeared to leave out was, one I know you would know the numbers, and has more sponsors then any podcast I know.

Whats the turn over and production costs of Digital Production Buzz?

Its probably one of the leaders in sponsorship.  So it would be interesting to know.

Thanks,
James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Philip,<br />
Very interesting post.<br />
I am amazed that podcasters are still so on the back foot. Especially with such trackable statistics in the number of views.</p>
<p>One Podcast you appeared to leave out was, one I know you would know the numbers, and has more sponsors then any podcast I know.</p>
<p>Whats the turn over and production costs of Digital Production Buzz?</p>
<p>Its probably one of the leaders in sponsorship.  So it would be interesting to know.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
James</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Ralph</title>
		<link>http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2007/06/if-not-advertising-what/#comment-12237</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aha!

well best of luck Philip! I think it&#039;s a long shot - as unlikely as coming back from 15-6 to beat the All Blacks.

Well maybe not quite that unlikely. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aha!</p>
<p>well best of luck Philip! I think it&#8217;s a long shot &#8211; as unlikely as coming back from 15-6 to beat the All Blacks.</p>
<p>Well maybe not quite that unlikely. <img src='http://www.philiphodgetts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone has done micropayments in a simple and easy way. Certainly not as easy as our patent holds. :) esnipe is totally not suitable for media. Nor is peppercoin, click &#039;n buy et al.

Philip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone has done micropayments in a simple and easy way. Certainly not as easy as our patent holds. <img src='http://www.philiphodgetts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  esnipe is totally not suitable for media. Nor is peppercoin, click &#8216;n buy et al.</p>
<p>Philip</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i can&#039;t see micropayments pay per view - even Jakob Nielsen seems to have backed off on that idea. 

The technology is there - see esnipe.com for an example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i can&#8217;t see micropayments pay per view &#8211; even Jakob Nielsen seems to have backed off on that idea. </p>
<p>The technology is there &#8211; see esnipe.com for an example.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All first-time posters are moderated as an anti-spam measure. Once you&#039;ve had one post approved, all subsequent comments are posted without moderation.

Otherwise we&#039;d have several hundred spam posts a day.

Philip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All first-time posters are moderated as an anti-spam measure. Once you&#8217;ve had one post approved, all subsequent comments are posted without moderation.</p>
<p>Otherwise we&#8217;d have several hundred spam posts a day.</p>
<p>Philip</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hegyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Hegyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why moderate my comment? What are you afraid of... a little ultra regulation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why moderate my comment? What are you afraid of&#8230; a little ultra regulation?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hegyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Hegyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Webisodic Internet Series:

Make it and they will come. We, my comrades, are the makers of the nickolodean one reelers, the silent filmmakers who started in New Jersey, fled west, escaped Edisons patent laws, where sunny weather 300 days a year meant more work for everyone.  We are the Rebels, reincarnated anti-establishment early 20th century bohemians, shooting on revolving stages spinning to follow the sun and making it all up as we go along. No rules. No suits. No unions. No dressing rooms. No permits. No pay. 

We are the hi def, final cut, final draft, duct taped, Bowfingered pioneers of our generation. Like the great Athletes who played prior to big television contracts, we are playing for the love of the game. Our early labors of love will soon be able to provide a living for some of us, our crews and our actors. Now heed this:

Have a business plan that works, and they will come. Build your libraries, tell worthy stories, capture it with style and honesty... and they will come! With promises of &quot;The Big Time&quot;... Studio deals... long term contracts. DO NOT leave those that helped get you there behind. If THEY had one  creative spark, they wouldn&#039;t come bearing gifts and singing your praises. They come to take your canvas&#039;s and make YOU think THEY are doing YOU  a favor. They need us. 

We make the rules. If they want to play on OUR field, crush their old business model and hit them over the head with the new one... Pay us, pay our crrws, pay our actors, but we will not be sold down the river. We own our work, You can license it... but we will own it. Thems our rules...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Webisodic Internet Series:</p>
<p>Make it and they will come. We, my comrades, are the makers of the nickolodean one reelers, the silent filmmakers who started in New Jersey, fled west, escaped Edisons patent laws, where sunny weather 300 days a year meant more work for everyone.  We are the Rebels, reincarnated anti-establishment early 20th century bohemians, shooting on revolving stages spinning to follow the sun and making it all up as we go along. No rules. No suits. No unions. No dressing rooms. No permits. No pay. </p>
<p>We are the hi def, final cut, final draft, duct taped, Bowfingered pioneers of our generation. Like the great Athletes who played prior to big television contracts, we are playing for the love of the game. Our early labors of love will soon be able to provide a living for some of us, our crews and our actors. Now heed this:</p>
<p>Have a business plan that works, and they will come. Build your libraries, tell worthy stories, capture it with style and honesty&#8230; and they will come! With promises of &#8220;The Big Time&#8221;&#8230; Studio deals&#8230; long term contracts. DO NOT leave those that helped get you there behind. If THEY had one  creative spark, they wouldn&#8217;t come bearing gifts and singing your praises. They come to take your canvas&#8217;s and make YOU think THEY are doing YOU  a favor. They need us. </p>
<p>We make the rules. If they want to play on OUR field, crush their old business model and hit them over the head with the new one&#8230; Pay us, pay our crrws, pay our actors, but we will not be sold down the river. We own our work, You can license it&#8230; but we will own it. Thems our rules&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without tipping my hat too far ahead, let&#039;s just say that I&#039;m not without thoughts on a solution. 18+ months of action behind the scenes too.

The news will almost certainly come out here and on the Digital Production BuZZ first.

And I think hybrid product placement, consumer contribution models will definitely feature in the future.

Philip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without tipping my hat too far ahead, let&#8217;s just say that I&#8217;m not without thoughts on a solution. 18+ months of action behind the scenes too.</p>
<p>The news will almost certainly come out here and on the Digital Production BuZZ first.</p>
<p>And I think hybrid product placement, consumer contribution models will definitely feature in the future.</p>
<p>Philip</p>
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		<title>By: George Loch</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Loch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great observation of the existing (impending?) problem yet, no solution. This has been a subject I have wrestled with for several years as not only a content creator but, one who helps facilitate other creators. 

One of the problems I think we face is an expectation that is set by high standards. Some assume that the content should generate large wealth - large enough to retire from and that is where these expectations need to be managed to a more realistic scale. Once you have the pie in the sky mentality brought closer to earth, you are able to maintain a better balance of creative freedom and financial recompense. To steal a phrase for a different context, &quot;Freedom isn&#039;t free&quot;.

The more probable solution is probably closer to a consumer-bearing structure. The keys here would be convenience and cost. If it is cheap and easy to access you may be able to sustain such a model. It is also possible that a hybrid will be called on where the production is subsidized by advertising and the profit is found in consumer acceptance.

I am watching and pondering the various approaches to see which really makes the most sense and is the most sustainable It always comes down to &quot;Cui Bono&quot; though.

-gl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great observation of the existing (impending?) problem yet, no solution. This has been a subject I have wrestled with for several years as not only a content creator but, one who helps facilitate other creators. </p>
<p>One of the problems I think we face is an expectation that is set by high standards. Some assume that the content should generate large wealth &#8211; large enough to retire from and that is where these expectations need to be managed to a more realistic scale. Once you have the pie in the sky mentality brought closer to earth, you are able to maintain a better balance of creative freedom and financial recompense. To steal a phrase for a different context, &#8220;Freedom isn&#8217;t free&#8221;.</p>
<p>The more probable solution is probably closer to a consumer-bearing structure. The keys here would be convenience and cost. If it is cheap and easy to access you may be able to sustain such a model. It is also possible that a hybrid will be called on where the production is subsidized by advertising and the profit is found in consumer acceptance.</p>
<p>I am watching and pondering the various approaches to see which really makes the most sense and is the most sustainable It always comes down to &#8220;Cui Bono&#8221; though.</p>
<p>-gl</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.  Eventually these videos will attract advertising if they have enough of the right audience.  It is just early and the market has not yet reached equillibrium.  For many years the Internet failed to attract advertising dollars proportinate to its audience.  Things are just now starting to reach a balance.

Check out the Ad-Supported Music Central blog:
http://ad-supported-music.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  Eventually these videos will attract advertising if they have enough of the right audience.  It is just early and the market has not yet reached equillibrium.  For many years the Internet failed to attract advertising dollars proportinate to its audience.  Things are just now starting to reach a balance.</p>
<p>Check out the Ad-Supported Music Central blog:<br />
<a href="http://ad-supported-music.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://ad-supported-music.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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