11 thoughts on “How Adobe ‘gets’ metadata workflows”

  1. You said, “Clips are named after Scene/Shot/Take.” What about multi-camera shoots? Can you do Scene/Shot/Take/Camera?

    Does “Shot” represent an individual camera setup? We always added a suffix to “Scene” for each setup. Like Scene 1A, 1B, etc. whenever we changed the angle or the lens length.

    Does CS5 have tape capture? Do you think they should drop it for CS6?:)

    Peace,

    Rob:-]

    1. Additional thoughts – CS5 does have tape capture and they should probably drop it at the next version, but there’s not the same dynamic as they’ve already rewritten (well, they have common code with the PC version), whereas for FCP it has to be consciously rewritten for that 2012 release. Slightly different circumstances.

      And from what I recall of the OnLocation workflow, you can modify the default names there if you want. Since the breakdown is derived from the script the Scene and shot breakdown is as per the script. But editable.

      Philip

  2. Here’s a question you might address in another post. I think your a good person to ask as you have a lot of experience with both.

    What are the pros and cons of upgrading to the next Final Cut Studio or switching to Adobe Premier Pro bundle, CS5.

    Here’s some of the factors I’m aware of.
    1. Cost is one … Adobe is more expensive.
    2. I could switch to cheaper hardware. PCs cost less and Windows 7 64 bit seems pretty stable. (Which hardware platform/OS would you recommend?)
    3. CS5, with 64 bit, is here now.
    4. If I stick with FCP I still need PhotoShop and AfterEffects, right? (If I buy those two plus one more Adobe app like Illustrator, then I might as well get the bundle.)
    5. Will the next FCP leapfrog CS5?

    Peace,

    Rob:-]

    1. First off I like to think of it as “and” not “or”. Given what we used to pay for just one NLE, we can have all three major ones and still have huge amounts of change.
      1) In the grand scheme of things whether you pay an extra $1000 or so really isn’t much in a professional budget.
      2) You *could* get cheaper hardware but you shouldn’t. You should buy quality PC hardware from a quality brand for NLE and that’s going to cost you about the same as a Mac.
      3) CS5 is here now and the performance is good, even without the supported NVIDIA graphics card. How much benefit that is….
      4) Seriously, if you want two Adobe apps, buy the bundle with them in it. Three, definitely. PPro is a bonus. (My “deal braker” with PPro is lack of multiple project open at a tie support.)
      5) Almost certainly the next version of FCP will leapfrog everything else. I think/believe that Apple are re-archtechting FCP and (I hope) making a “next generation” tool. By analogy: if you”d asked people what they wanted for transportation improvements around the end of the 1800’s they’d have said “faster horses” when the real innovation was the automobile.

      Philip

  3. That’s a good question Rob. I don’t know how the workflow works with multicam. You’ll have to ask someone at Adobe and get back to me when you find out.

    Philip

  4. Hay Philip,

    Thanks for the quick response. I should have mentioned that I’m not a professional. Oh, I’ve made a bit of money shooting and editing, but that’s not my goal, really.

    I’m fixing to retire in a few years and I’d like to be able to produce my own stuff; short docs, short narratives and maybe a web series. So I’m all self-funded and saving for a Scarlet or two.

    Peace,

    Rob:-]

    1. Jennard did say “by end of this year” for Scarlet. And self funding is a different issue. PPro, FCP or Media Composer can all do a great job – it’s really which you find works better. There’s a 30 day trial of both Media Composer and Premiere Pro CS5.

      Philip

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    1. An interesting comment Carol, but what the heck does it have to do with the post? I prefer relevant comments rather than those that push your own position. I approved this one but in the future, keep comments relevant to the subject.

      Philip

  6. I guess a distinction I need clarified is how we’re dealing with “clips” versus “files” and metadata.

    Is there a distinction at or is all markup from any application in the pipeline applied to the same file XMP?

    If not, should there be?

    Alex

    1. Clips are abstract representations of media files. There can be many clips pointing to the media file, and each clip can have *clip* metadata. XMP metadata is file-based metadata (like QT Metadata) and can only carry one set of XMP metadata per file. But I’m sorry, I simply don’t understand the next question.

      Philip

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